Seaward Fox Logbook

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I've sailed and powered for years starting at 19' and growing to 32', never had the time to actually enjoy the boats. Now, I've retired and find that bigger is not better, I want to be able to just poke about - single handed, and not spending a ton of money or time at a marina. The seaward fox looks just about right, i appreciate your review.
Bob Chiarello - None
Lake George, NY - Tue, 09 Oct 2001 19:02:10 PDT

Good luck on your search for a smaller boat.  There are definitely a number of very nice ones on the market today (both used and new). -TSM


Nice write up. Enjoyed reading about the FOX. Considerd it before I hit on the SUNCAT. My choice was clear when the mast raising situation was examined. It has not disappointed this ex 470 sailor. Also a consideration in this boat is how very easy it is to launch and recover. I will go sailing at the drop of hat and be in the water in record time compared to a 470 or Windmill launch. Two Clark Mills boats and both have been oustanding.
Ron Blais - SUN CAT
Greer, SC - Sat, 29 Sep 2001 17:31:14 PDT

Great to here that you like your boat so much.  It is a sweet looking craft.  It would be great if you could write a review for it that I could post on my site.  I think Clark Mills has definitely come up with a winner. -TSM


Not a boat owner, nor even a sailor, but am planning for the future. I fell in love with the Fox the first time I stumbled across one on the web; your site just deepened that feeling. great info -- happy sailing!
Bob Froom - None... At the moment
Hull, MA - Sat, 29 Sep 2001 12:32:53 PDT

Good luck on your search for a boat -TSM


Nice web page,  Iam thinking about moving up from a small daysailor to something i can sleep on overnight and go in heavier water with.  The Seward Fox looks like a nice boat that I can sail around in the great lakes.  Thanks for sharing your the information on the boat.  Are you planning to sail in flordia this winter?
Marc Rankin - CL 14
Bay City MI - Wed, 19 Sep 2001 19:52:57 PDT

Just moved to Hawaii this month, so a trip to Florida is out of the question now.  It is a great trip if you can spare the time and travel, Florida Keys are a great place to sail in the winter. -TSM


I own Precision 18 #279. I probibly have the largest outboard of any small boat on the west coast. 9.9 Yamaha. Yes I said 18 feet. But I tell you what. I CAN get out of the way of the sw Florida summer thunderstorms. I also use the motor to go up the Peace River and the Myakka river. The 18" Keel make it a perfect "NO WAKE" boat for the manatee Zones around here. I just leave the mast and boom at home and off I go. The p 18 will be with me for a long time.
Butch Erny P18 SW FL "Sail.calm"
North Port Fl - Thu, 13 Sep 2001 20:22:15 PDT

Precision makes a great little boat.  I came very close to buying one instead of the Fox (the Precision 21 just seemed so perfect... of course I was selling my wife on the new boat with teh concept of "smaller is better", and downsizing from a 22' to a 21' boat would have been a hard arguement to make for buying a new boat...  -TSM


Nice boat. I'm confused because lot's of Fox pics I've seen show a sloop rig. Do they offer both sloop and cat-rigged? I emailed the Seaward factory a couple of weeks ago but got no answer. Would you mind saying what the approx cost of a basic cat-rigged Fox is?   I'm gonna buy a pocket cruiser sometime this Fall 2001.
Brian - looking
Comfort, TX - Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:15:30 PDT

Fox was offered standard as a cat-rig, with optional standard rig until 2000.  Now the cat rig is not available.  The cost was about $11000 depending on options for a new boat.  -TSM


I really enjoyed your site. My Savage Nautilus 20 and I single hand around the beautiful Sydney harbour and also coast hop the Tasman Sea. I've been out on days when the seas are up to 12 feet and more and she handles it well. Built like a tank, she has a inboard yanmar 8hp diesel and I had an article published about her in Cruising Helmsman magazine. I love cruising a small boat and having as much fun or more as the rich guys in their Catalina's and Benneteaus. I get to enjoy the same sun, sea and chilled beer and BBQ as they do for a fraction of the cost. I don't have a trailer for the boat, keep it on a mooring. It costs me US$15 a week to keep, all inclusive of fees, insurance, gas you name it. Sites like yours underline my philosophy to sailing and seamanship, you don't need mega bucks! In fact, my little boat has towed my mate's 30 footer twice and rescued his crew when he ran aground. (He was my troop commander 20 years ago in the army). I have fitted her wiith a sun awning, BBQ, CD player, have all safety equipment and even an inflatable liferaft, EPIRB etc. Being smallmeans I can manhandle her out of trouble and if all else fails, run her onto a beach and step off! Thanks again for the great site and if the Navy sends you to Sydney, you have a boat to sail on whilst you are in port.
Perry Gamsby - Savage  Perry Gamsby - Nautilus 20
Port Jackson, Sydney Australia - Mon, 10 Sep 2001 06:57:59 PDT

Excellent discussion of the joys of small boat ownership -TSM


This is a very good private site. Better than the Seaward official site. I am not changing boats soon, but just window shopping for future reference. I have sailed my 1985 Sanibel 17 for five seasons and like it. It does most of what I want a trailor sailor to do, and sails much easier than the Catalina 22' I had before. A really good ghoster and safe and predictable in all weathers. At 1350lbs it tows well behind my station wagon, launches single handed, and fits in the garage.
Mark Osbun - Sanibel 17' ( Captiva I think)
Ft. Wayne IN - Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:38:19 PDT

I almost bought a Sanibal 17 before I bought my Tanzer22.  Wish I had, since it is a much more manageable size, and I would have been able to tow it with the Dodge Caravan that I had at the time.  Instead, I ended up buying a Dodge Dakota for a tow vehicle, and then bought a Seaward Fox (which I could've towed with the Caravan).  Hmm... kind of a lesson in fully determining the limitations and cost of ownership of different size boats. -TSM


I'm looking to downsize to a traileable sailboat. No sea grass ever grew on the keel on my Catalina 30, I absolutely love to sail. Frustrations came from the expense and upkeep of a larger boat, and the real time cruisablility of how far 5 to 6 knots can carry you in a days time. There are some terrific Cruising destinations on the Great Lakes, but we do have to earn a living. By land, I visited Munising on Lake Superior  this past June (home of Picture Rocks, Shipwrecks and an area steeped with Maritime history) Absolutely the greatest thing would have been a small trailerable sailboat in that beautiful place to take it all in at the speed of a bicycle. The search for the right boat started after that. (Watch out, all you armchair Sailors, the alluring attraction of the Sea will haunt you forever)
For some reason, I really drawn to the appearance of the Seaward Fox and I thank you for your website Professional isn't the right word for your creative skills, you could make a living doing it. I will try very hard to hitch a ride on a SeaWard Fox before I buy my first "easy to rig" traileable Sailboat, but your love & enthusiasm for the Boat has certainly inspired me. Do you hear me West Michigan? Thanks, Tom
Tom Lee - One design Interlake (hard chine centerboard sloop, Catalina22 (3weeks) then Catalina 30 - 5 years
Muskegon, MI - Sun, 12 Aug 2001 22:05:52 PDT

After cruising through most of the Great Lakes, East Coast, and Florida Keys, I discovered that the ideal boat is one that  you can get to the best cruising grounds at 55 mph!  Everybody says "you have arrived at your destination on a sailboat the moment you cast off lines", but I have found that there is alot of somewhat boring or less then enjoyable sailing involved in getting a larger boat to the spots that you really want to cruise at.  That is where trailerable size boats really rule.  Take a look at the Compac Suncat as well. -TSM


Informative, entertaining site--your experiences with the Fox have convinced me that it's just the boat for my wife and I.  While I made a career out of the Air Force, a stint with the Naval Academy's Command Seamanship and Training Squadron convinced me I just gotta sail! Fair Winds and following seas mate.
Bruce McKinney - None yet
San Antonio, Republic of Texas - Tue, 07 Aug 2001 11:48:00 PDT

Nothing like the feeling of the first time out sailing your own boat! -TSM


Great site! Enjoyed all the info. Currently looking at Fox's.  Hope to get one soon. Thanks.
Robert John - Former owner 34 ODAY
pelicanpoop@earthlink.net
Birmingham,Alabama - Wed, 01 Aug 2001 13:28:26 PDT

Time to move down to a more manageable boat?  You will enjoy the savings on slip[ fees, haulout charges, bottom paint prices.... -TSM


Grew up on the Great Lakes...time to get my feet wet again!
David Nolle - None (yet!)
dnolle2@home.com
Dallas, TX - Sun, 29 Jul 2001 07:15:46 PDT

Some nice cruising grounds up there.  I have cruised the Thousand Islands, Bay of Quinte, and the North Channel.  Incredibly beautiful area.  Also cruised through Lake Eire and Lake Ontario, but that is more open water sailing... I bet you miss those cruising grounds now that you are in Texas! -TSM


Your web site is very nicely done. When a little younger I had a Cape Dory Typoon . and cruised all around Lake Ontario. One summer had over 90 entries in my log book. In my third year with the boat I started reading the entries and found that the trips got shorter and the over nights became further apart. So after many boats and searches and boat shows, I found myself with a Boston Whaler Harpoon 5.2. This is a open boat designed by C & C Yachts. I can take six people out comfortably and single hand it easily if the wind stays below 15 knots and even to 30+ with a reefed main and no jib the boat still sails  wonderfully. I have always had a bit of a racing bug in me and
these small cruisers just do not please me. They are nice to sail but they are not very exciting when the wind pipes up and just give up to much in performance for me. But the good side of small boats is the handling of sail
is a snap. So I have always been a huge fan of small well designed boats. Now  having sailed larger boat some distances I found the trip to be great fun but very long and as you have pointed out the ground that you can cover in a weekend or even a week can be limiting. So with my Harpoon 5.2 Amazon I now can race and swim off her and entertain  guests, and plane in winds of 15 knots. This has become the perfect boat light and easy to rig and de-rig and fast on the water. I just blow away the small cruisers. Now I still like a adventure and just because my boat does not have a cabin this does not stop me from taking a short hop now and then. I have made a tent and with sleeping pads turn the boat into little cruiser. But the best part of a light boat is being able to trailer to far away places and sail a bay or lake the suits your fancy. I sail the coast of Maine as well as the Great lakes. There is
something about passing a 40 foot cruising boat with so little effort and watching there crew work the sails and try to catch you in a following sea. Now you can probably guess that I am one of those people who have to
constantly fiddle with everything to get the most out of a sail, but I do truly enjoy relaxing too. The hardest part of sailing is finding the boat that suits your personality and when you do  find that boat  you have a joy every time you hit the water that can be only appreciated by those who have found their boat. Sounds like you have found yours. Thanks again for your great site. Rick & Amazon

Rick & Amazon
Mon, 23 Jul 2001 22:13:47 EDT

The joys of small boat sailing! Well said! -TSM


Just sold a catalina 22 and what a mistake that was.  Now I'm in the market again. The fox is the nicest sailboat I think that I have seen. I would like to have the one with the wheel stearing and inboard diesel if they still make it. Is it worth having the extra goodies? If anyone has one let me know.  If anyone has any suggestions feel free to e-mail.  Great site! Plan to come back often.
Patrick Wolbert - Catalina 22
pwolbert@hotmail.com
Lake Sidney lanier (North Georgia) - Wed, 18 Jul 2001 10:40:51 PDT

Wheel steering is still an option, I believe.  One problem with the wheel steering would be that it would prevent you from using the cockpit as a bed on extended sailing trips.  The inboard diesel was offered maybe up until 1997?  The only option that I am ambivilent about is the bow pulpit.  It is nice to have something to hang onto up there, but without the railing, it would fit into my garage (8'6" with railing, 7' without) -TSM


Great site. Love the looks of the Fox.  Its on my list but I wonder if it will do for weekends for two? By the way the cat rig is no longer available, only the sloop rig with self-tending jib. Have you had any warranty problems and if so how were you treated?  Keep up the good work
Bill Hitchner - Looking and saving for a boat
York, Pennsylvania - Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:42:52 PDT

I have spent up to a week at a time on it with my wife.  The cabin is a bit small (that compression post for the mast is 6" in diameter, and hits your knees at a inconvenient spot), so after our first extended vacation aboard, I had a cockpit tent sewed.  It has a roomy cockpit, so we ended up with a queen sized bed, giving us the interior space of a 24' at anchor.  I have had no warrenty repairs, so can't help you out.  I am sorry to see the cat rig go away, as it was the big attraction to the boat for me.  If I was buying today, I would take a serious look at the Compac Suncat (but then I really like cat-rigs, wheras if you are a performance oriented sailor, you might consider a Precision or Catalina Capri). -TSM


Web site is great with many informations and good photos.  Best greetings from Good Old Germany.
Claus Buerkholtz - Neptun22 Sold before some weeks
Edersee/Germany - Sat, 14 Jul 2001 05:43:41 PDT

Good to hear trailer sailing is a worldwide sport.  Now that I am in Hawaii, sailing is a year round event here. -TSM


Enjoy your site.  We enjoy overnights in cosy cabin but not at this time of year. ( min of about 8 degrees C ) and short winter days with 5.00 pm sunsets.  Careels are light ( 600 kilogram ) swing keel centreboarders  with wide beam and stern. Simple sailplan with no spinnaker.  More than 450 have been built here.  I replaced an ancient 6hp johnson with an 8hp mariner.  Four stroke motors are still too expensive and not really seen in small sizes.
Peter Biskup - 18 foot careel ( australian design )
fritzelhund@hotmail
Brisbane Australia - Wed, 11 Jul 2001 00:27:22 PDT

Good to hear trailer sailing is a worldwide sport.  Now that I am in Hawaii, sailing is a year round event here. -TSM


Thank´s for your homesite....see you.
Simon Krogh       (Denmark)
Copenhagen, Denmark - Sunday, July 18, 2001, 04:53:16 (PDT)

Sailing Worldwide! -TSM


Switching to a trailable small cruising boat.
Arvid H. Pravis - Bayfield 25
Grosse Ile,MI. = Sat, 16 Jun 2001 10:07:53 (PDT)

Good luck with your search. -TSM


A very good web site.  Many thanks for your work.  I am falling in love with the cat-rigged Fox and your site is providing me with a lot of information prior to buying.
Jeffrey j. Williams - former hunter 27 owner
Raleigh, NC -  Sun, 10 Jun 2001 20:32:16  (PDT)

Good luck.  Keep me updated with your search. -TSM


Great Information.  I wish this was available when I bought the H***** 240.  Sold it.  Got a bachlors degree in bad experience.  Looking at another boat purchase next year; power vs sail.  You make a convincing argument to try sailing again.  Your site is a wealth of experience and your opinions are honest and close to what I like to see on a pocket cruiser.  Thanks.
Steve Murch -  none yet
Wilmington, NC - Sun, 20 May 2001 13:51:44 (PDT)

Too bad your last boat experience wasn't pleasant.  Keep up the search, whether sail or (gasp) power, there is a boat out there for you (I am actually looking to add a small power boat to my fleet). -TSM


Thinking about buying a small sailboat (1st one) and I thank you very much for the detailed information.
Steve Gibson - None
Diamondhead, MS -  Wed, 16 May 2001 09:58:25 (PDT)

Good luck witrh your search.  Make sure you sail it before you buy it.  If you don't have alot or any boating experience, consider taking a course from your local college, university, or community sailing club first. -TSM


Great site for someone considering the Fox
Chris Crispel - None
San Jose, California - Sat, 5 May 2001 13:44:04 (PDT)

Thanks. I have tried to make it balanced by adding some good owner reviews (Precision 18 and WWP 19) and othe comments on the "Selection Criteria" page. - TSM


Thanks for all the information! I'm switching from an 18' Hampton One Design to a pocket cruiser (really want those overnights!). The Fox initially didn't interest me because I had mixed info on weather performance, and winged keels in the Chesapeake tend ...
Jamie Fishman,  Hampton One Design
Gloucester Pt. Virginia - Saturday, April 21, 2001 at 14:59:00 (EST)

Thanks. Doggone guestbook is cutting off the messages.  I just fixed that problem, so try again...-TSM


Great site, good information, thank you for sharing. would you post some info about using 2hp on your boat, what current speed or winward motoring will be possible, I have a 4hp Mariner, my boat is 1200lbs I would like to get the new 2hp which was love at first sight.
Dan Zaharia, Sanibel 17
Saturday, April 7, 2001 at 07:33:09 (EDT)
Thanks.  I have found the 2 HP to be a great engine for daysailing, but a little lacking for long cruising trips.  For daysailing, it is great carrying around and mounting a 29# engine.  It works great to take me to and from the dock.  I get about 4-4.2 knts out of it, WOT.  It is great not having to mix oil and gasoline, and smells much better for that.

The downside: when cruising, and you have those windless days, but you have to get back to the truck and trailer that day so you can go home, motoring 30 nm at 4 knts can be pretty tiring (hull speed of 5.2 knts).  Also, having a 2 quart gas tank works great for daysailing, but invariably while cruising, it runs dry at crucial moments where you don't have the time to try to refill it.  Plus, it is hard to refill it on the water without spilling. Especially when you are under pressure (like in the mouth of a harbor that is 30' wide, with powerboats headed straight toward you inbound AND outbound).  I am working on that issue... added a gasoline connection so I can fill it from an external tank using a handpump (internal gasoiline pump is not strong enough to draw through a hose from an external tank).

If I were buying another engine, I would probably spring for the Yamaha 4 HP 4 stroke.  The weight is kind of a pain, but the ability to use either an external tank or the internal tank at will, and the extra power enabling you to reach hull speed would be great.-TSM


Very informative. How much are you going to charge me to make all of your modifications to my new Fox?
William Jowell / none
Midland, Tx USA - Tuesday, January 30, 2001 at 20:47:55 (PDT)
I don't even have enough time to finish the modifications onto my own boat. -TSM
I really enjoyed your unbiased article. Am looking for more negatives about Potters.

J.W. Emmons Hopefully a Potter 19!
Beastrider81@Hotmail.com
Kansas City, Mo USA - Saturday, January 27, 2001 at 14:54:19 (PDT)
But I thought you wanted an UNBIASED view?    I think both my opinions and Judy's counterview provide an overall description of all the positive and the negative issues.  WWP has come a long ways in recent years... if you do buy a new one, get the "bleu water" option.-TSM
good job. nice web site

doug young
seattle, WA USA - Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 18:33:56 (PDT)
Thanks-TSM
I enjoyed your Website especialy the part about the keys trip.I am also planninga a trip down to the keys around mid April and I only live about 2 Hours from Key Largo. Can hardly wait. I Just purchased a brand new WWP 19 and new to sailing but the one time I was able to take it out, Loved it. I was considering buying a Seaward (25' model)but the Potter 19 was more affordable for me. Take Care.

Dr.K (Kamer M, Vartanyan)
Davie, FL USA - Thursday, January 11, 2001 at 09:19:23 (PDT)
Thanks-TSM
I was very impressed with your modifications. you have given me some good ideas.  good sailing my friend

Jim DesJarlais west wight potter 19...."magnolia"
winnipeg, mb canada - Tuesday, January 09, 2001 at 19:44:32 (PDT)
Thanks-TSM
Looking for a good used 16 - 20 trailerable sailboat

Drew Munch
Midland, MI USA - Sunday, January 07, 2001 at 19:30:20 (PDT)
I would recommend looking in the Trailor Sailor Classified section.  That is how I sold my Tanzer 22.-TSM
I have a Hunter 240 that is no picknick to rig and launch, it is just too big to go for a 3 hour cruise. Rigging is down to about 35 minutes, and about 40 to take down. While this is really not too bad it is too long on busy ramps. It also is a bit too tippy for my wife to feel comfortable in. This is also not good, she doesn't feel safe. I have seriously considered going smaller, but do want stability.

Kirk McGough, Sapphire Seas
Redmond, WA USA - Thursday, January 04, 2001 at 08:34:53 (PDT)
That is why I downsized to the Fox.  It is a breeze to set up, and with my cockpit tent, I haven't really given up that much cruising ability.-TSM
Great web site!

David Routh - Vagabond 17
Houston, TX USA - Thursday, December 28, 2000 at 21:52:46 (PDT)
Thanks-TSM
Excellent site. I liked your modifications and the pictures are a big help. Where have you cruised with this craft.

Ken H.
Ken Handrick, Seward Fox
USA -Tuesday, December 26, 2000 at 10:00:35 (PDT)
Florida Keys. North Channel of Lake Huron, daysailing in Charleston Harbo.  On my short list:Narrangasett Bay, Cape Cod, North Channel (again), Puget Sound.-TSM
Very thorough and easy to read; nice pictures. Have had a 22' Catalina and a 23' Hunter with water ballast. Considering a 19' Potter, but your page caught my eye. Sounds like a nice little boat. Dave Wood

In the market for 3rd time
Aurora, CO USA - Friday, December 15, 2000 at 19:59:28 (PDT)
Thanks-TSM
So how much do you want for yur boat as it is??????? Looks like a very nice system. I have been looking for a smaller boat that is easier to rig and trailer. The 25 takes me about 2 hours to rig everything, half of that just to deal with the roller reefing. Thanks for all the info

Terry Ludwig O'day 25
Oconomowoc, WI USA - Thursday, December 14, 2000 at 10:26:05 (PDT)
You don't make the kind of modifications I have made if you expect to sell the boat anytime soon.  This boat is small enough that I can easily take it with me where-ever the Navy send me.-TSM
I am getting my catboat early January, I have been sailing a 30 ft sloop for about 6 years and am looking forward to meeting some cat trailer sailers. Give me a shout sometime and maybe we can hook up and sail together. We are in the process of planing a trip to the chesapeake sometime. Happy Sailing Pat

Patrick Johnson Mengercat 19

Wellington, Fl USA - Saturday, December 02, 2000 at 14:49:47 (PST)
Menger is a beautiful boat.  ALl my sailing now is going to be in the NE, so probably will be quite a while before I am down in Florida again.-TSM
Great story!! When can we expect the rest of it!

Jim Stevens--currently between boats, last was ODay28
USA - Saturday, November 25, 2000 at 07:53:22 (PST)
Thanks.  SOmeday, I will get around to finishing it.TSM
I really enjoyed reading about your boat. I considered the Fox but there weren't any used boats around. I went for a test sail with the dealer but there was not much wind. I enjoy the Edel and have done quite a bit of refurbishing including Endura painting the hull off white and burgundy cove stripes and water line. I did buy a yamaha 4 hp 4 stroke, and find it a great little motor. Thanks for your story. Best of luck and happy sailing !

Don Atchison type of boat Edel 540
NANIMO, B.C. Canada - Thursday, November 23, 2000 at 22:57:21 (PST)
I am wishing that I had gone for the Yamaha 4 HP now.  There just have been a few too many days where the extra kick would be worth lugging it around (since I sail in an area of strong tidal currents; nothing like having the kicker at WOT, and making no headway against the current). -TSM
Just sold my Hunter 33 and down sizing for fun and increased cash flow. We now own a Solar Sailor (Expo Cat Rig) and to my regret a Hunter 23 that I took on trade. I love your site and am looking for a Seaward Fox. I saw one at the marina and fell in love with it. However, the owner was just here for the weekend and did not get to talk with him. Where do I find a dealer or used boat? I have been on the web for days and all of the used boats are up north. I have no problem with working out a delivery if there is nothing close to San Antonio, Texas. Thanks...Gayle

Gayle and Kathy Hill <gatofreo@gvtc.com>
Canyon Lake, TX USA - Tuesday, November 21, 2000 at 12:24:50 (PST)
Check out the Hake Yachts website (see links page).  They will put you in contact with a nearby dealer. -TSM
Thinking about the 18 as mast raising on the 21 gets tougher as I get older (61) Wonder about how 18 is in gusty winds and use of a 150% genoa, roller furling.

George Schaller Precision 21 <giatx@yahoo.com>
Storm Lake, IA USA - Saturday, November 18, 2000 at 13:58:25 (PST)
Both seem to be pretty nice boats. -TSM
Please help. I am looking for information on mast bearings. The mast has alot of play and I have been told that needle bearings will fix it. What are they, where can I get them, and how do I install them. Thanks in advance, David

David Seaward Fox <david.livingstone@pei.sympatico.ca>
Canada - Tuesday, November 14, 2000 at 08:49:39 (PST)
Look in archives at the TSBB Seaward forum.  This has been discussed, and there is an easy solution (note that this applies to the older version, where the mast bearing ACTUALLY had needle bearings in it.  The newer boats just have a plastic ring that supports the mast.) -TSM
I didn't see the weight of the boat -- also weight of boat plus trailer -- and whether it can be towed by Subaru Forester (limit 2000 lbs)

Aulis Lind (ms) <Aulisl@aol.com>
Colchester, Vt USA - Tuesday, October 31, 2000 at 07:43:58 (PST)
Boat weighs in at 1250#.  Add 500# for trailer, plus ??? for gear, and it would run right at your limit.  It would probably be acceptable for shoer towing jobs, but I woul d be hesitant to plan cross country trips. -TSM
Thank you for all the great information on the Seaward Fox. After an eventful, expensive, and hardworking three month leave of absence this Summer moving our Tradewind 33 from Cape Canaveral, Florida to Oriental, North Carolina, I have decided to sell out and fall back to something much smaller. You know - something you might be able to have some fun on without all the big boat worries. The Fox is particularly appealing. Am also looking at the Montgomery's and small Cape Dorys. I really like the Falmouth Cutter but it is way out of my price and weight range. Thanks again for the informative site.

Terry Hassler, Tradewind 33 currently for sale <terryhassler@yahoo.com>
Golden, CO USA - Monday, October 30, 2000 at 19:49:16 (PST)
Thanks- TSM
For Sale Lupine 1996 Carbon Masted Cat rigged Seaward Fox with Trailer. 1996 Honda 2 horse 4 cycle Outboard 28 Lbs! Excellent condition. Upgraded Fiberglas Boom to Stainless Steel Boom with Boom Vang. Added Velcro Batten Closures on Sail. Solar Vent Replaces Cowl vent. Sail cover customized for lazy jacks. Cooler. Porta Potti. Guardian #4 Aluminum Anchor With vinyl coated chain and 100' Rode. Stainless Steel Boarding Ladder on Transom. Mast Awl Gripped White 1999. $8500.00 On Trailer and Clean In Rhode Island. Email for Photos.

Jim Myers 1996 Seaward Fox Carbon Masted Cat <jmyers@styluscentral.com>
Providence, RI USA - Monday, October 23, 2000 at 20:04:14 (PDT)
Could be a good deal for someone. -TSM
Cudos for a well conceived and executed site. I am dreaming/planning to build a 17'-22' range pocket cruiser, and found your site via a search engine. I am truly impressed by your modification efforts on your Seaward Fox. Thanks for putting out the effort to create your site for all of us "armchair" sailors.

Bryan - none as of yet <bjee@techline.com>
Montesano, WA USA - Saturday, October 21, 2000 at 07:35:23 (PDT)
Thanks. -TSM

Hi, One of the best sailboat sites on the net! Good job. I like your Fox, but also would like to go aboard a Compact Suncat. Both of these boats look like they would be good for a senior (63) such as myself. Found you through the Trailer Sailor link. Regards, Frank
Frank A. Caruso, Expo solar sailer <facapp@erols.com>
Yardley, PA USA - Thursday, October 19, 2000 at 16:57:34 (PDT)
Let me know if you get a suncat.  I would really like to get an owner review of this boat on my website.  It looks like a pretty well set up, quality constructed boat. -TSM


Hopefully I will tackle the trip to the keys. The thoughts of towing "knot yew" that distance is, to say the least, daunting.  I will probably opt for her to be transported to homestead . I enjoyed your discription of the sailing vacation in the keys
geoff hodgson 25 seaward "knot yew" <g.hodgson@bmts.com>
kincardine, ontario canada - Sunday, October 08, 2000 at 17:43:10 (PDT)
It would be quite a trip to trailer your boat down.  Given, I have towed a similar sized boat (T-22, all up at 5500# on trailer) from coast to coast, but it isn't something I would recommend for a relaxing vacation. -TSM

Congratulations on your very good site. I think I have to do something like your short trip with my wife but in a safer boat. Seaward Fox boat is such a beautifull sailboat. I sail just in protected sea waters of Enseada harbour of Guarujá city in Atlantic Ocean. Thanks for the good moments that I had reading your site. Good winds for you. Marcos
Marcos Rabello - 16' O'Day Daysailer <anarabello@aol.com>
São Paulo, S.P. BRAZIL - Thursday, October 05, 2000 at 17:24:31 (PDT)
Thanks. -TSM

In your comparison shopping, did you ever consider a Nimble 20? I am looking at one now very seriously as I want to downsize - the 25 simply is too big for me to maintain and trailering a boat that size is not an option for me. The Fox also is on my list, as is the Compac Suncat, the Compac 19 and the Montgomery 17. I owned a Suncat 16 many years ago and found it a very good boat, though like all cats, it could easily be overpowered when running before a good wind, and it had to be reefed early. Is that also characteristic of the Fox? BY the way, you've got a fine site - enjoyed it very much.
Allan Horton 25-ft Beachcomber cat-ketch <ahhorton@yahoo.com>
NOkomis, Fl USA - Wednesday, October 04, 2000 at 06:14:33 (PDT)
Nimbe-20 was outside of my self-imposed displacement class.  I was focusing on downsizing, and avoid two-footitis (or 500#-itis) when buying aboat (although that Precision 21 or 23 looked tempting for awhile...).  The Fox should definitely be reefed early.  190 sq ft of sail is not siomething to play around with in heavy winds on this small of a boat. -TSM

Please keep the info coming comparing the Seaward Fox to the SunCat and other similar easy to rig and sail boats
Steve Mainster, possibly buying SunCat or Fox <smainster2@aol.com>
Homestead, fl USA - Thursday, September 28, 2000 at 19:12:20 (PDT)
If there are any Suncat owners out there, I would really appreciate a review of your boat and some pictures.  The Suncat definitely looks like a good alternative. -TSM

good advise, it was very helpful
Preston Goodale COMPAC 16
Bradenton, fl USA - Sunday, September 24, 2000 at 06:35:56 (PDT)
Thanks. -TSM

Your site is very good for someone looking to get into sailing and eventually buy a boat...thanks!
Chris Eddy, just getting the bug <claneddy@hotmail.com>
Stoughton, WI USA - Wednesday, September 20, 2000 at 09:47:31 (PDT)
Thanks. -TSM

Sailed a Fox last weekend (9/16/2000) on Lake Michigan out of Holland in light (3-7 kt) winds. Impressed by light wind performance - handled 4-6 foot swells easily and comfortably. Now I just have to find the right boat (Fox or 23')
George Stecyk - Future Seaward Owner! now sail a Tinker <AF-GES@msn.com>
Naperville, IL USA - Tuesday, September 19, 2000 at 09:09:49 (PDT)
It depends on your use. How many people will normally be aboard? How often you want to trailer it? Do you want to keep it in a slip? -TSM

I can't believe you made that trip! Particularly to start out without charts, etc. I am 60 years old and, frankly, somewhat jealous of your fortitude.
Woodus Humphrey - trawler <whumphrey@woodcoinc.com>
Shreveport, La USA - Sunday, September 17, 2000 at 10:57:25 (PDT)
I probably wouldn't have the fortitude to do that trip anymore, either.  Specifically, the cold wather (snow and ice? on an unheated boat?) would be aportion I would not care to repeat. -TSM


One of our members have just became a Seaward Fox owner. He is very excited about the boat and is using your web pages as a primary source of info. Your North Channel Trip indicates we are on the same wavelength. Check out the SWS web pages and our cruises. Gee, maybe we can get another member?? Regards, Ken
Kenneth Murphy, Editor SWS, Bay Hen <kgmurphy@erols.com>
Gaithersburg, MD USA - Wednesday, September 13, 2000 at 09:03:02 (PDT)
The SWS web page provided me with alot of background information and general ideas on where to go for teh North Channel trip that I took this summer.  Sounds like the SWS group is a good resource for this type of cruising. -TSM

Wonderful site -- so much detail, all the pix available at full size. May help us decide to get one!
Leonard, West Wight Potter 15
- Wednesday, September 06, 2000 at 05:23:58 (PDT)
Thanks.  Don't necessarily give up on your WWP-15.  It is a great little boat, and I have heard alot of good stories about some of the trailer sailor cruises done with them. -TSM


Great site...I love what you did with your boat. So many good ideas...especially the cockpit enclosure!
Chris Wickersham ... A couple of sailboats! <chrisw@copperkey.com>
Merritt Island, FL USA - Thursday, August 31, 2000 at 14:14:29 (PDT)
Thanks. -TSM

Great little yacht. Definitely on my shopping list. What's the price?
George Vatistas Shopping for trailerable <george@renssell.com>
USA - Thursday, August 31, 2000 at 08:00:50 (PDT)
I am not a Seaward dealer. If you check the links section, you will find a link to the Hake Yachts homepage, and can request a current price list. Base price used to be about $12k.  -TSM

I am thinking about buying a Fox. Is it seaworthy on rough weather? Do you have to reef quickly when the wind picks up to avoid overpowering the mainsail? I would appreciate your reply. Thanks, Steve
Steve Mainster <smainster2@aol,com>
USA - Tuesday, August 29, 2000 at 19:56:20 (PDT)
 The Fox definitely requires reefing early.  It has an unusually large mainsail (190 ft2) for it's size, and I normally reef at about 15 knts sustained wind.  The Fox is really only a 17' boat, so I wouldn't want to test it's ability to handle real rough weather.  -TSM

Very nice site. I have owned a Coronado 25, Catalina 30 & Catalina 36. I am debating going to a Seaward Fox. The reason is the complexity and size of a large cruising boat takes too much time away from sailing. Watch out that you don't get into the same trap with all the stuff that you are adding to your Fox! Steve
Steve Gertsman Catalina 36 <gertsman@home.com>
Vancouver, BC Canada - Sunday, August 27, 2000 at 13:03:45 (PDT)
I am pretty much done with modifications.  Our last week-long cruise in the North Channel proved the usefulness of the additions that I have made, however did not really leave me with any desire for more changes (unlike my previous cruise in the Florida Keys, where I came away with all sorts of ideas).  The boat is definitely now well optimized for small boat cruising.  The only thing I will change is to get a more comfortable cockpit cushion. -TSM

Wow! you sure have tricked up your Fox!.. I currently don't have a boat but crew on several and race regularly. I want to buy a trailerable sailboat but can't seem to decide what boat. I have been doing a lot of research in the internet. Looking into San Juan 21's, Potters 19's, Rhodes 22 and several others. I really like the Seawards. They are a little more money but the quality is evident. Anyway, great looking boat. Steve
Steve Bader <mailto:jns@cmc.net%20%20or%20sbader@proctorsales.com>
Seattle, WA USA - Tuesday, August 15, 2000 at 19:40:53 (PDT)
Be sure to consider carefully what your tow vehicle is and what your primary use is (tow all the time, keep in your driverway vs. tow twice a year) when it comes to picking a boat.  The larger the boat, the less likely you are to tow frequently (especially if you have to set-up single-handed). If you want to race in the boat you buy, you might want to consider a Precision 19 or 21.  If you have only a little  interest in cruising aboard, there are a handful of really outstanding small racing-oriented one designs that are optimized for trailering (U-20 comes to mind). -TSM


Nice site. Love the pictures. I fell in love with the Fox, but my pocketbook allowed an '86 Slipper. Plus, I've never owned a boat before. I've enjoyed it for nearly three seasons so far and plan on getting lots more use from it. Someday, maybe a '23 or '25, we'll see. Best wishes, Greg
Gregory Alley, Seaward Slipper <yg5016@usma.army.mil>
West Point, NY USA - Friday, August 11, 2000 at 18:21:26 (PDT)

Good to here that you are enjoying your boat.  If you have any good cruising/sailing stories to tell, I would appreciate hearing them -TSM 


good webside! I baught the Fox a month ago, just at the day when me and my wife started for a three weeks sailing vacation on the lake of constance. Next year we certainly have much more comfort.. Heinz Kimmel
Heinz Kimmel, Seaward Fox <etp_heiki@t-online.de>
Bodman-Ludwigshafen, Germany - Friday, August 04, 2000 at 16:25:37 (PDT)
A Seaward Fox in Germany?  There has got to be a story behind that!  I am betting that in 3 weeks of sailing, you managed to think up all sorts of improvements to make life more comfortable for the next time out (HINT: get a nice comfortable cushion to sit on... such as the "sport-a-seat" version that Boat US sells... nice thick cushion and backrest, with internal ratcheting frame to provide back support.  I have some closed cell foam cushions, but they just aren't soft enough for the long-haul.. -TSM

Excellent website. Really like your presentation and the mods page. Anxious to see add'l info on interior.
Mark Sibille Venture 17 (Macgregor) c1969 <msibille@yahoo.com>
Lafayette, LA USA - Thursday, August 03, 2000 at 11:47:44 (PDT)
There are some pictures of the interior on the "Fox Review" page.  Not much to the interior, so I don't know what more I would take pictures of. -TSM

I am going through the same search...consideration! In the past I was a power boater never thought so much about what the best selection would be. Now that I have begun to enjoy sailing I want more boat but can't decide on the right one. Of course money is a deciding factor but...
American 14.5 Daysailer <ad_jackal@excite.com>
New Bern, NC USA - Wednesday, August 02, 2000 at 07:27:30 (PDT)
Good luck with your boat search.  There are plenty of quality small used boats out there which are selling for a song.  Just make sure you consider your tow vehicle into your final selection (since I bought a boat, then upgraded my tow vehicle to pull it, then downsized to a boat which my original tow vehicle could handle...) -TSM


Hey, Thanks for the great story!!! I couldn't tell you how I managed to stumble across your sea-going adventure but I can tell you that your journey and the telling were fantastic. I once crewed on club-racing sailboats in an attempt to learn how to sail with an eye on eventually purchasing a sailboat and have ventured out and had enough experience to truly appreciate what you guys were goin' thru. Really, it was a great story but I was disappointed that the last part of your trip was so curt. Anyhow, I never ended up buying that boat, a nice trailerable, seaworthy vessel, good for making "passages". Recently the itch has come back, I've been checkin' out boats online. Your story really makes me want to scratch the itch even more. Thanx again for the neato story. best mike
Mike <mikekmartin@cs.com>
ny USA - Thursday, July 27, 2000 at 21:47:13 (PDT)
One of these days I will get around to finishing that story.  I have started and stopped work on it a few times. -TSM 
Very good website! You've done a very nice job with this review. I could perhaps be persuaded to buy one if I could sail one first. I'm looking to downgrade to a simpler boat that takes just a few minutes to launch vs. 1-2 hours with the Hunter 23. The Fox looks like a good compromise that is quite seaworthy. Thanks, Dan Bickford

Dan Bickford 1986 Hunter 23 <dbickford@mindspring.com>
Villa Rica, GA USA - Saturday, July 22, 2000 at 07:15:38 (PDT)
The vast reduction in setup time on the launch ramp was what convinced me to downsize from my Tanzer 22.  There were a number of winter days when my Tanzer 22 was sitting in dry storage that turned out great for sailing, but it just was too much effort to haul the boat out and spend 3 hours setting up and taking down for a few hours sailing.  The Fox lets me go out whenever I want, and I can singlehandedly set it up and sail it with no problems.  The cockpit tent makes the boat roomier inside then my 22' boat ever was. -TSM 
Very nice site. I'm looking to get a used micro cruiser and saw a Fox listed in the paper. I always check the web for researching and your site has been great. Thanks.

Scott Milliorn - no boat yet <smilliorn@usa.net>
Dallas, TX USA - Friday, July 21, 2000 at 13:11:44 (PDT)
Be sure you test sail it before you buy it.  The fox definitely isn't the boa for everyone, but I have really enjoyed it. -TSM

Nice website and nice comprehensive review of your new Fox. Happy Sailing!
Jule Conover - Potter 15 <mndflness@aol.com>
Portland, OR USA - Wednesday, July 19, 2000 at 06:36:14 (PDT)
Good to here from back home (both me and my wife are originally from Oregon, and hope to return someday).  Have some fond memories of sailing on the Columbia River in Portland, Fern Ridge Rervoir in Eugene, and Yaquinna Bay in Newport.  Where do you sail your Potter? -TSM


very interesting site. I am about to make some mods on my boat. I think putting the water tank under the v berth might work for me. I have room in the cokpit, but then all would be on the same side weight wise(battery, gas tank, water etc. Happy sailing
Frank Dore macgregor 25 <frank.dore@tr.cgocable.ca>
Grand-mere, canada - Saturday, July 15, 2000 at 22:23:21 (PDT)
The flexible tanks are convenient for installation if their isn't easy access underneath your vee-berth without doing some major cutting of the interior liner.  You can get a 26 gallon model shaped for the vee-berth for a pretty reasonable price. -TSM


An excellent description of the Seaward Fox - I like very much the idea of the unstayed mast. I believe that if a boat can be rigged quickly it will be used more often.
Allister James <allister_james@hotmail.com>
USA - Tuesday, July 04, 2000 at 15:55:24 (PDT)
The carbon fiber mast was what really attracted me to this boat (besides the overall pleasant appearance).  It seems that fiddling around with shrouds took a majority of my time at the launch ramp, and they never ended up setup exactly right. Also, invariably while raising the mast, the shroud lines would hook on something halfway up.  This mast literally takes me about 2 minutes to raise from towing configuration to sailing configuration. -TSM


Wonderful job on the site and a masterful job of upgrading the Fox. I have a 1981 Slipper 17, the predecessor of your Fox and am in the process of performing many similar upgrades. The photos were most helpful. Your Fox must have doubled in value!
John A. Moore <jmoore@esva.net>
Chincoteague, VA USA - Friday, June 23, 2000 at 10:53:30 (PDT)
It probably has doubled in value (or is that COST?)  based upon the look on my wife's face when she adds up the WEST MARINE, BOAT US, and JSI entries on the VISA bill. -TSM


Great site. I have a slipper 17, I think its a 1983 or thereabouts. Before I found your site, I didn't even know they were still built. I am still learning the boat,and I am about to try my first overnight trip. I like your modifications, though in some ways you made the Fox more like a slipper. The mast sounds a lot easier to get up, and its a good thing they did away with the swing keel, the mechanism corrodes and it sticks. Mine won't go down. I have to get one of those biminis.
Pat Cox <Palau@aol.com>
NJ USA - Tuesday, April 11, 2000 at 20:54:19 (PDT)
After the problems I had with my last boat with a centerboard (wouldn't go down), I definitely was looking for a fixed keel this time around. Great to hear you are still enjoying your Fox after your first 10 months with it. -TSM


Nice looking site. I'm considering buying a Fox now. Only have a Subaru Legacy to tow - would that be enough? How do you see around her thru rearview mirrors? Dana Gunnison
Dana Gunnison <danagunn@juno.com>
Silver Spring, MD USA - Sunday, April 09, 2000 at 16:43:36 (PDT)
Suburu Legacy should be able to tow it... barely.  You need towing mirrors (which I don't have) to see around it... it is a very wide boat. -TSM


What a great page. The Fox looks like a blast. I couldnt pass up the portapotti that is standard in my c25. Good winds to ya.
Jesse Smith <Jesse.Smith@usm.edu>
Hattiesburg, MS USA - Friday, January 21, 2000 at 08:06:24 (PST)
The Fox has room for a portapotti underneath the vee-berth.  Of course, there are a FEW other small differences between the boats... -TSM


VERY nice site, You did a great job. Happy sailing
David and Debbi <ddsmj@yahoo.com>
Oneonta, ny USA - Thursday, January 06, 2000 at 06:17:02 (PST)
Thanks. -TSM


Excellent site
Mark Carroll
Dunedin, new zealand - Tuesday, December 21, 1999 at 23:58:12 (PST)
Thanks. -TSM


Hi Tim, Excellent site. I have to admit that the Seaward Fox still leaves me a little week in the knees each time I see one, a very pretty boat. Good thing (I think) that it will not fit in my garage, else I might be provoked to do something hasty. Keep up the good work, check back later..
Lee Copp
Sunday, August 15, 1999 at 19:10:17 1999
Actually it would probably fit into your garage... so long as you get one with out a bow pulpit.  I have successfully backed it into my garage, up to the bow pulpit (which was about 6" too high for the standard height garage door).  Of course, there is NO WAY you would fit the 28' mast inside most garages... -TSM


I bought a '93 cat rigged Fox in '95. Here's the story..... While sea kayaking, I became interested in sailing; went for a sail on a buddy's '31 foot hunter, and I was addicted. became half owner of an old Santana, which fueled the addiction and got me on the water a fair amount. Got a deal on an American 16 daysailer, brought it home, but never sailed it. read everything I could get my hands on, trying to find "the right boat". Talked to lots of people about lots of boats. Got lots of brochures, and a few videos. Sloops, catboats, sharpies, ketches.....Looked at the ads in all the mags, got hold of the Florida Sailboat Trader, subscribed to Soundings.... I liked the looks and simple concept of the Fox from day one, and never heard anything bad about the boat. Found one, a '93, in the Sailboat Trader, listed with a broker named Stu Westphal. Stu was helpful, and had a couple of boats I was interested in, including a Seaforth coastal cruiser. I opted for the Fox on the basis of simplicity, and made an offer contingent on inspection. the offer was accepted and the deposit sent. I drove to West palm Beach to inspect the boat, and it was as promised. I watched as the wheel bearings were packed before I hooked the rig up to the '91 t-bird. The towing was easy and uneventful, except for the feeling that I was being tailgated really close.Bear in mind that I had no experience to speak of towing anything. Learned to park on the edge of lots, so as to not get boxed in; planned ahead for lane changes, turns, etc. Went to Ocala, stayed over at my Dad's, and headed for Daytona the next morning, and spent a day there. Every time I stopped, I checked everything I knew to check. Left Daytona and headed for I-75. No problems; stopped frequently, checked everything. The rig towed well at all speeds. Just inside Georgia, I decided to make a fuel stop at Adel. The pavement on that stretch was grooved, so the tires were humming and the ride was a little rough. There was a drop of a couple of inches as you came on to the off ramp. I pulled into the BP station just past the ramp, started fueling, walked around the front of the car toward the building, glanced toward the boat, and....is that? it looks like...SMOKE!!!!2#!??. What the?? A bearing had failed, the hub had broken, and the smoke was from the tire rubbing the inside of the fender. And it was Saturday. I did not know it, but my good luck had just started. No crash and burn. The people at the gas station had me move the boat away from the pumps, disassembled the wheels, and sent me for parts, all while taking care of customers. Within about five hours, I was on my way with new bearings on both sides, a new hub to starboard, for about 80 bucks. I could have crashed. I could have had to wait until Monday for parts, and I could have been charged a great deal more, as i was at the mercy of those good people. Underway again, we moved north, around Atlanta, through torrential rain and high wind, through Chattanooga, up Monteagle mountain, and down the other side. Along the way we met a new Fox and a '23 that were being delivered from the factory. Arrived at Kentucky Lake and parked the rig. I guess the total distance was about 900 miles, maybe a bit more. A real learning experience, and the first of many adventures with the boat we call "Bob"
Steve Haines
Saturday, July 17,1999 at 07:39:18
Keep the stories coming, Steve! One good thing about the Performance trailers that the boats come with now is the "spindle lube" hub, which essentially lets you repack the inner and outer bearings (displacing the old grease) by pumping grease into the zerk fitting (this should not be confused with a bearing buddy).  I pump a half a tube of grease into each hub before leaving for extended trips, and after retrieving the boat prior to coming home. Also, just like you, I check the beraing hub temperatures at every rest stop.  I would like to eventually rig a temperature measuring device to each hub to monitor temperatures underway.  I have a cheap automotive electric temperature gauge that I am playing with right now to try to adapt to measure hub temperature. -TSM


I don't have a web site, but I have a 1984 slipper 17, which is a previous incarnation of the Seaward Fox 20, with a sloop rig and no bowsprit, which accounts for the difference in length. I have had it for 2 weeks now and we are still feeling each other out. I am already sure that the boat is the perfect match for the criteria I had, traditional looks, shoal draft, room to relax, something to sail around the back bays we have here behind Atlantic City, New Jersey, and maybe if I get adventurous overnight for a weekend or two.
patrick cox
Monday, June 28, 1999 at 19:06:30
Congratulations on the "new" boat.  Hope you enjoy it. -TSM